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Hackintosh Success! I have successfully built my first computer - and a Hacintosh at that!
So far seems to run Cheetah fine - though I put it through only the most preliminary of tests. There was some difficulty getting OS X 10.8.4 installed. But that was due to some unforeseen anomalies (for some reason I could not get past Apple boot screen when monitor was hooked into the VGA port of internal graphics, but once I moved it to HDMI, Thunderbolt, or DVI ports all was sweet - unfortunately that took me an entire day to figure out). Mildly disappointing is that my render times for the new computer are only about 2 seconds faster than my 2008 Mac Pro (at least on the one scene I thus far tested). However, Octane seems very snappy and quick - I think in part because the GUI is being controlled by the Integrated Graphics while the discrete NVIDIA card does all the CUDA processing. Getting both the Integrated HD 4000 graphics from the Intel processor AND the discrete NVIDIA card (GTX 570) working together was also problematic and a time sucker until I found the right hack. Anyway here are the comparison specs for the Old Real Mac and the New Unauthorized Mac: Mac Pro 2008 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon Processors 10 GB RAM NVIDIA GTX 570 w/2.5 GB RAM ATI Radeon HD 2600 w/256MB RAM Mac's default PSU (I think 900 W?) Suplemental FSP Booster X5 450 W PSU (It was my intention, not yet realized, to get a second GTX 570) Hackintosh 2013 i7-3770K 4 Core 3.5 GHz Intel processor w/ HD 4000 Integrated Graphics Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Motherboard w/Thunderbolt, USB 3.0, Firewire 400 and ESTA ports.
Cooler Master 1000 W PSU (semi modular) 16 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM SAMSUNG 840 Pro 256 GB SSD Cooler Master HAF-X 942 Case with two additional optional fans (total 6 fans) Pioneer Internal Blu-ray Burner BDR-208DBK IOGEAR GBU521 Bluetooth 4.0 Micro USB Adapter (not yet tested) NVIDA GTX 570 GPU (borrowed from Mac Pro for testing) My build is not fully complete as the GTX 570 is going back into the Mac Pro and I want to get a GTX 770 for the Hackintosh. Total spent thus far for the Hackintosh: $1,342 GTX 770 is about $450.00 so total will wind up being $1,791 (and maybe another SSD for a Windows boot drive - though I have a few spar SATA drives I can use for now) Compare that to $2,500 for a 'new' 2012 Mac Pro whose only advantage I see is the more powerful Xeon class processor. I chose not to use a Xeon processor in my Hackintosh build because, in addition to being more expensive (you also have to buy a separate CPU cooler) they do not work with OS X's power management. For someone who leaves on their computer constantly, that was an issue for me. Additionally, it was advisable for my first build to stick with a single CPU; dual CPU Hackintoshes are possible but from what I understand much more difficult to get working (and agin, more expensive). So there you have it - a Cheetah 'running' on all intel equipment. I guess only time will tell if it is worth it (OS updates can be potentially problematic and I guess I will need to spend more time working with the BIOS, boot loaders, drivers, etc.
But that is knowledge generally put to good future use). And no longer am I confined to only that equipment Apple thinks I need.
I have a lot of freedom and flexibility to set up my box in different ways (I may just use it as a dedicated rendering machine and still do most of my work on the Mac pro). If it proves not to work out as a Hackintosh, I can still always use it for Windows. Well tonymacx86.com has all that info on their forums - though it is spread around in a somewhat chaotic fashion. They even list specific builds with tested equipment known to work well in Hackintoshes. I deviated from their recommendations only in my choice of PSU, case, and Blu Ray player.
I did watch dozens of Youtube videos covering both my specific components and the procedure in general and I'm very thankful to those folks who did take the time to explain / document / videotape the processes. What I'm thinking about doing is writing a post or making a video covering specifically those parts of the procedure that I had questions and trouble with. Since I am such a noob many things that are taken for granted by those with experience were not immediately clear to me (both on installing the OS and the components in general). For example - simply hooking up the Power, Reset, and various LED wires of the case onto the motherboard. I did not at first know which end of the wires was positive and which was negative. There was a triangle on the ends of the connectors which I assumed was an indicator and a quick Google search proved this was the positive line.
But absolutely no where in the Cooler Master case manual was that information listed. I still have some things to install and test so I need to complete all that first. And it appears there is already a small problem with the motherboard (don't think it has anything to do with OS X though). One of the USB 3.0 Headers is dead. So I need to decide if I want to RMA that back to Gigabyte, or just live with it as there are still two other USB 3.0 headers on the board and 4 active ones on the back I/O panel. That's really neat!
Glad you got it running. I've thought about doing one. I'd prefer to do a laptop, which is more difficult because you can't choose the components. I had a top of the line 15' PowerBook (when it came out) that had several parts fail over the years. It's now totally dead, so would be tempting to get a small cheaper portable PC laptop to run OSx86.i have a 27' i7 iMac for a desktop, so that part's covered. One of our IT guys has built a few.
He's had a few problems like mouse and keyboard on one and audio problems on another. Have you thought about partitioning and cloning your install so one can be a working copy and the other could be used for testing upgrades?
Yes - one of the main things I need to do next after all my initial testing is complete. I'm not going to partition the SSD though. Not for Bootcamp anyway.
They say if you want a dual boot system with a Hackintosh, that the Windows install should be placed on a separate drive. It makes things a lot easier. I'm assuming that's the case with a separate partition for OS X as well - just better to have them on completely separate drives. I use Carbon Copy Cloner and always make on a separate disk both a backup diskimage and a bootable partition of all my OS X installs. I have numerous ones for different OS X versions - though they are generally machine specific. I'm sure I can't use any of those for the Hackintosh as they don't have the necessary bootloader. So I will need to keep separate backups for the Mac Pro and the Hackintosh.
Actually, for testing purposes, I am wondering of Virtualization might be better. A friend of mine keeps telling me I should instead learn and install Linux on this box and run both Windows and OS X from VirtualBox. That will probably wait - I'm done with learning for the moment! Now I just want to play & create. Thanks for posting about Kakewalk, I hadn't seen that before! I have one major fear of using a hackintosh: Much of the software/Music I own is from the App store.While it hasn't happened yet, I suspect a day will come when Apple detects invalid machines and disables accounts. Microsoft did this with xbox, if certain modifications were detected the users xbox live account was terminated.
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Has anyone else felt this way? I would really love a hackintosh - the fans on my MBP are way too loud, and it'd be great to have a box with an SSD and a hard drive. Thanks for posting about Kakewalk, I hadn't seen that before! I have one major fear of using a hackintosh: Much of the software/Music I own is from the App store.While it hasn't happened yet, I suspect a day will come when Apple detects invalid machines and disables accounts.
Microsoft did this with xbox, if certain modifications were detected the users xbox live account was terminated. Has anyone else felt this way? I would really love a hackintosh - the fans on my MBP are way too loud, and it'd be great to have a box with an SSD and a hard drive. While it is indeed possible that Apple does implement this someday I don't think they will.
Hackintosh users are a very small minority. Even if they did implement this, it is really easy to trick the OS as to which hardware you really have. Also Apple doesn't really care about people pirating their software. Have you ever seen a serial number in an Apple software? As for iTunes DRM, it was there because record companies demanded it.
AFAIK DRM was removed from iTunes a few years ago, at least for music. As I said, considering my personal experience, hackintoshes have real benefits over the mac pro route, and not only regarding the price. While it is indeed possible that Apple does implement this someday I don't think they will. Hackintosh users are a very small minority. Even if they did implement this, it is really easy to trick the OS as to which hardware you really have. Also Apple doesn't really care about people pirating their software.
Have you ever seen a serial number in an Apple software? As for iTunes DRM, it was there because record companies demanded it. AFAIK DRM was removed from iTunes a few years ago, at least for music. As I said, considering my personal experience, hackintoshes have real benefits over the mac pro route, and not only regarding the price. The so-called 'xMac' has been on many users' wish lists for years.
Think of it as a smaller Mac Pro, or a headless iMac with an upgradeable GPU. I think the problem is that for a ridiculously large proportion of users, Apple is actually meeting their needs (the integrated intel graphics are powerful enough even for a lot of graphics professionals). And if you're super high end, you use a render farm or cloud rendering so again you don't care. Finally, there are hotrodders, and Apple will never satisfy them (in the car world, hotrodders vastly prefer GM, Ford, and Honda to Mercedes, BMW, and Porsche).
The big question as far as I can see right now is the new Mac Pro pricing. If it's $2500+ and there's no way to upgrade the GPUs then yuck. If it's upgradeable or cheap (e.g.
One GPU and four cores for $1500) then I just don't see the point of DIY (except for running Octane, but you might as well just use it on a Windows box). I know this is a somewhat old thread, but it's still pertinent.
I actually got a touchscreen tablet hackintosh working! I put 10.6.2 on an. I got C3d to work on it as well. The focus/move/zoom/rotate/pan/single/quad icons work perfectly while in tablet mode. No mouse needed.
I got this one off of CraigsList for $125. While not the most powerful computer ever, it will come in handy while traveling. I would post pictures, but I screwed up the install by running the updater without putting the modified kext files back in place. For now it was running as a VM in VirtualBox inside Linux.
I may at one point replace the Linux with the OSx86. I'll post images / video once it's up and running again. I have plenty of hackintoshes. I have plenty of hackintoshes.
Some weird, some wonderful. Mothers laptop - R61 lenovo, ran snow leopard and Lion. My Laptop /1 - T61 lenovo, used the ultrabay and got egpu running on Lion, Mlion and Snow Leopard.
X3100 + gt640 4gb (10.8 only) -macbook definition My Laptop /2 - x61 lenovo, made a fun 12' laptop to run Leopard and Snow for older software and light use - later replaced for the x61t for the wacom tablet ability and more usefulness. X3100 -macbook definition My Laptop /3 Dell latitude 2100 netbook - used for simple music use, later updraded it to crunchbang and had it on the network as a 'xserve', basically a fileserver, but did run snow leopard at one point.macbook def again Desktop 1+2 'The Badaxe 2', 775 socket modded to take 771 xeon single core. Made great desktops and still runs to this day. 10.5-10.10 supported. which is very useful if you want to boot into a particular mac o.s.
(however I only run 10.8) gtx 590ti 4gb -mac pro 3,1 definition, 2.8 xeon single proc 32gb ecc ddr2 Desktop 3 'Gigabyte ga-ex58-ud4p' 24gb ddr3 used for a basic i7 2nd gen rig, (my modeller for c3d) works fine and has good digital in out options for audio routing. Gtx 650ti 4gb mac pro definition and or imac Desktop 4 'matx gigabyte board' - forget the name - rarely used c2q 2.66 8gb ddr2. I have plenty of hackintoshes. Some weird, some wonderful. Mothers laptop - R61 lenovo, ran snow leopard and Lion.
My Laptop /1 - T61 lenovo, used the ultrabay and got egpu running on Lion, Mlion and Snow Leopard. X3100 + gt640 4gb (10.8 only) -macbook definition My Laptop /2 - x61 lenovo, made a fun 12' laptop to run Leopard and Snow for older software and light use - later replaced for the x61t for the wacom tablet ability and more usefulness.
X3100 -macbook definition My Laptop /3 Dell latitude 2100 netbook - used for simple music use, later updraded it to crunchbang and had it on the network as a 'xserve', basically a fileserver, but did run snow leopard at one point.macbook def again Desktop 1+2 'The Badaxe 2', 775 socket modded to take 771 xeon single core. Made great desktops and still runs to this day. 10.5-10.10 supported. which is very useful if you want to boot into a particular mac o.s. (however I only run 10.8) gtx 590ti 4gb -mac pro 3,1 definition, 2.8 xeon single proc 32gb ecc ddr2 Desktop 3 'Gigabyte ga-ex58-ud4p' 24gb ddr3 used for a basic i7 2nd gen rig, (my modeller for c3d) works fine and has good digital in out options for audio routing.
Gtx 650ti 4gb mac pro definition and or imac Desktop 4 'matx gigabyte board' - forget the name - rarely used c2q 2.66 8gb ddr2. I've finally gotten the 10.6.6 working again in Virtualbox. I used a Leo Hazard version. I tried a bunch of different ones too, but couldn't get any of the others to work. I've heard of someone getting 10.8 to work on the same model laptop I have.
I'm pretty sure it's some specific kext / bootloader issue. I've solved the issue where the screen resolution was off.
The two biggest problems are that there is no calibration for the touchscreen, even though it does work. The pointer doesn't line up with the pen tip near the edges of the screen.
There's a kernel panic on shutdown, but not terribly worried about it as it doesn't cause a problem with the OS working. I'll post a video soon of C3d on a touch screen. Hopefully I can figure out how to calibrate the touchscreen and it will be perfect for what I want to do.
I'll check it out thanks. I did run a terminal command on the Linux side to list the PCI hardware. I'm not sure what to do with the vendor id though?
How do I use that info? My main problem is knowing which kext files to even use. I realized that I can only boot into SL using Single User mode.
If not, then it Kernel Panics. It's probably the Voodoo Audio Kexts that I installed. I'll have to remove them to see if that's what's causing the KP. One other problem that I didn't realize is that the screen will not rotate when I put the laptop in tablet mode. That one may be difficult to remedy since I had to force the screen resolution by modifying the Chameleon bootloader xml.
Thanks again for the info! Trick is to note your kernel panics and then. Trick is to note your kernel panics and then. You know what to google - VoodooHDA would mean a conflict most likely with AppleHDA.kext - remove it or install HDADisabler or similar etc etc. Knowing the device and vendor ID means you can google: 0000:0000 osx86 giving you a link to a kext website (numbers being the dev:ven) Better keep this board to just 3D modelling, but PM me and I am sure I can point you to the websites that could get you on your way. Happy Hacking.